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 <title><![CDATA[George Carlin Quotes]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/carlin.htm">George Carlin (1937–2008)</a><br />
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I would never want to be a member of a group whose symbol was a guy nailed to two pieces of wood.<br />
-- George Carlin (attributed: source unknown)<br />
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I credit that eight years of grammar school with nourishing me in a direction where I could trust myself and trust my instincts. They gave me the tools to reject my faith. They taught me to question and think for myself and to believe in my instincts to such an extent that I just said, "This is a wonderful fairy tale they have going here, but it's not for me."<br />
-- George Carlin, in the New York Times, August 20, 1995<br />
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Religion: If this [word] offends you, welcome to the world of sane and realistic critical thought. More harm has been done to the collective human psyche by religion than by all the fucking and cocksucking since the dawn of time. By the way, many religious people (including the ordained) fuck and suck each other's cocks all the time.<br />
-- George Carlin, from the language warning sequence introducing the his website, www.geogrecarlin.com, that existed in late 2001 and early 2002<br />
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Instead of school busing and prayer in schools, which are both controversial, why not a joint solution? Prayer in buses. Just drive these kids around all day and let them pray their fuckn' empty little heads off.<br />
-- George Carlin, Brain Droppings<br />
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I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.<br />
-- George Carlin (attributed: source unknown)<br />
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We created god in our own image and likeness!<br />
-- George Carlin (attributed: source unknown)<br />
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I finally accepted Jesus -- not as my personal savior, but as a man I intend to borrow money from.<br />
-- George Carlin, Brain Droppings<br />
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I've begun worshipping the Sun for a number of reasons. First of all, unlike some other gods I could mention, I can see the Sun. It's there for me every day. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, a lovely day. There's no mystery, no one asks for money, I don't have to dress up, and there's no boring pageantry. And interestingly enough, I have found that the prayers I offer to the sun and the prayers I formerly offered to God are all answered at about the same 50-percent rate.<br />
-- George Carlin, Brain Droppings<br />
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Here's another question I've been pondering -- what is all this shit about angels? Have you heard this? Three out of four people belive in angels. Are you fucking stupid? Has everybody lost their mind? You know what I think it is? I think it's a massive, collective, psychotic chemical flashback for all the drugs smoked, swallowed, shot, and obsorbed rectally by all Americans from 1960 to 1990. Thirty years of street drugs will get you some fucking angels, my friend!<br />
-- George Carlin (attributed: source unknown)<br />
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What about Goblins, huh? Doesn't anybody belive in Goblins? You never hear about this. Except on Halloween and then it's all negative shit. And what about Zombies? You never hear from Zombies! That's the trouble with Zombies, they're unreliable! I say if you're going to go for the Angel bullshit you might as well go for the Zombie package as well.<br />
-- George Carlin, You Are All Diseased<br />
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I don't have any beliefs or allegiances. I don't believe in this country, I don't believe in religion, or a god, and I don't believe in all these man-made institutional ideas.<br />
-- George Carlin, quoted from Reuters / Variety "Notable Quotes" for April 25, 2001<br />
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I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people who believe it.<br />
-- George Carlin, Brain Droppings<br />
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This is a little prayer dedicated to the separation of church and state. I guess if they are going to force those kids to pray in schools they might as well have a nice prayer like this: Our Father who art in heaven, and to the republic for which it stands, thy kingdom come, one nation indivisible as in heaven, give us this day as we forgive those who so proudly we hail. Crown thy good into temptation but deliver us from the twilight's last gleaming. Amen and Awomen.<br />
-- George Carlin, Saturday Night Live<br />
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The two big mistakes were the belief in a sky god -- that there's a man in the sky with 10 things he doesn't want you to do and you'll burn for a long time if you do them -- and private property, which I think is at the core of our failure as a species. That's the source of my indignations, my dissatisfactions, however it comes out on the stage. I feel betrayed by the people I'm part of, these creatures, these magnificent creatures.<br />
-- George Carlin, Orange County Register, March 1997<br />
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We use up words like "spiritual" so fast in this culture. Twenty years ago "spiritual" had a distinct meaning. But now there's a lot of jack-off thinkers who just love to talk about the spiritual. And there is a lot of bogus -- is "bogosity" a word? It should be -- a lot of bogosity in these spiritual seekers. So you have to find another way to express it. I just call it "how I fit."<br />
-- George Carlin, Orange County Register, March 1997<br />
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In the Bullshit Department, a businessman can't hold a candle to a clergyman. 'Cause I gotta tell you the truth, folks. When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims: religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told.<br />
     Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!<br />
     But He loves you.<br />
     He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!<br />
-- George Carlin Politically Incorrect, May 29, 1997<br />
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If this is the best God can do, I'm not impressed.<br />
-- George Carlin, Napalm & Silly Putty (2001)<br />
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I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.<br />
-- George Carlin, appearing on A&E Biography]]></description>
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 <title><![CDATA[George Carlin On Religion]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.rense.com/general69/obj.htm">George Carlin On Religion</a><br />
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<blockquote>When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! <br />
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But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit! <br />
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But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. <br />
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Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. <br />
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No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit. Doesn't give a shit, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results. <br />
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So rather than be just another mindless religious robot, mindlessly and aimlessly and blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some spooky incompetent father figure who doesn't give a shit, I decided to look around for something else to worship. Something I could really count on. <br />
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And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I became a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper. Several reasons. First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some other gods I could mention, I can actually see the sun. I'm big on that. If I can see something, I don't know, it kind of helps the credibility along, you know? So everyday I can see the sun, as it gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers in the park, reflections on the lake, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At least there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us. <br />
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Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me fine. So, I worship the sun. But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I wouldn't presume on our friendship. It's not polite. <br />
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I've often thought people treat God rather rudely, don't you? Asking trillions and trillions of prayers every day. Asking and pleading and begging for favors. Do this, gimme that, I need a new car, I want a better job. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday His day off. It's not nice. And it's no way to treat a friend. <br />
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But people do pray, and they pray for a lot of different things, you know, your sister needs an operation on her crotch, your brother was arrested for defecating in a mall. But most of all, you'd really like to fuck that hot little redhead down at the convenience store. You know, the one with the eyepatch and the clubfoot? Can you pray for that? I think you'd have to. And I say, fine. Pray for anything you want. Pray for anything, but what about the Divine Plan? <br />
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Remember that? The Divine Plan. Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave it a lot of thought, decided it was a good plan, put it into practice. And for billions and billions of years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine. Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the use of being God if every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can come along and fuck up Your Plan? <br />
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And here's something else, another problem you might have: Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's will." "Thy Will Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's going to do what He wants to anyway, why the fuck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me! Couldn't you just skip the praying part and go right to His Will? It's all very confusing. <br />
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So to get around a lot of this, I decided to worship the sun. But, as I said, I don't pray to the sun. You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Two reasons: First of all, I think he's a good actor, okay? To me, that counts. Second, he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't fuck around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that God was having trouble with. <br />
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For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog, Joe Pesci straightened that cocksucker out with one visit. It's amazing what you can accomplish with a simple baseball bat. <br />
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So I've been praying to Joe for about a year now. And I noticed something. I noticed that all the prayers I used to offer to God, and all the prayers I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about the same 50% rate. Half the time I get what I want, half the time I don't. Same as God, 50-50. Same as the four-leaf clover and the horseshoe, the wishing well and the rabbit's foot, same as the Mojo Man, same as the Voodoo Lady who tells you your fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles, it's all the same: 50-50. So just pick your superstition, sit back, make a wish, and enjoy yourself. <br />
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And for those of you who look to The Bible for moral lessons and literary qualities, I might suggest a couple of other stories for you. You might want to look at the Three Little Pigs, that's a good one. Has a nice happy ending, I'm sure you'll like that. Then there's Little Red Riding Hood, although it does have that X-rated part where the Big Bad Wolf actually eats the grandmother. Which I didn't care for, by the way. And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I like the best? "All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. None, not one, no God, never was. <br />
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In fact, I'm gonna put it this way. If there is a God, may he strike this audience dead! See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened? Everybody's okay? All right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a little bit. If there is a God, may he strike me dead. See? Nothing happened, oh, wait, I've got a little cramp in my leg. And my balls hurt. Plus, I'm blind. I'm blind, oh, now I'm okay again, must have been Joe Pesci, huh? God Bless Joe Pesci. Thank you all very much. Joe Bless You!</blockquote>]]></description>
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 <title><![CDATA[Carlin was beloved for questioning authority — the highest authority]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/1019753,carlingod062308.article">Carlin was beloved for questioning authority — the highest authority</a><br />
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<blockquote>Let's be upfront about this. George Carlin might have been a comedy god to his disciples and fans. But for nearly 50 years, he practically made a career out of not believing in God.<br />
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So don't go all sappy and commit the sin of saying that one of the most influential and controversial American humorists of our time, who died from heart failure at 71 on Sunday, now has joined some celestial Friar's Club in the sky, laughing at our foibles from on high with the brilliant likes of Richard Pryor and Henny Youngman.<br />
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As the notorious curmudgeon would so bluntly put it, "Bull (bleep)!"</blockquote><br />
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<a href="http://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2008/06/28/6987/religious_zealots_to_picket_carlins_funeral">Religious zealots to picket Carlin's funeral  - Comic is 'cast into hell' </a><br />
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<blockquote>Far-right religious zealots are to picket George Carlin’s funeral in protest at his atheism and bad language. The Westboro Church, which is infamous for protesting at the funerals of American troops, has issued a press release headlined: 'God Killed Potty-Mouth Comedian George Carlin And Cast Him Into Hell.'<br />
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Amid many biblical quotes, the fundamentalists said: 'George Carlin - the filthy blasphemer - the obscene potty-mouth skeptic, agnostic, and profane atheist - who had nothing but disdain for God and the Bible all the days of his tragic life - is now, at this minute and for ever writhing and screaming in exquisite pain pleading for mercy from that God he flipped off while performing for HBO for lucre.'<br />
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'Carlin made lots of money making fun of God; now he must deal with God - face to face - for ever.'</blockquote><br />
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I don't usually talk religion with people, but the topic comes up in interesting ways sometimes.  I was talking to a friend about the tremendous loss to humanity that comes with George Carlin's death.  We've lost a great wit and generally funny guy and we'll collectively miss out on his future insights.  My friend remarked that it's too bad he was atheist.  I asked him why and how it impacts anything and he kind of of stumbled around trying to say that Carlin's belief impacts his death.  I think it threw him off that I said anything other than "yeah" like he expected a programmed response that matched his.  Instead I replied that whatever reality there is I seriously doubt it would be impacted by the man's beliefs.<br />
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Why are the religious so self-centered and self-important to think that what they believe really impacts what may or may not happen to us once we die?  Let's suppose there are gods and some sort of afterlife, no matter how improbable that may seem.  Do you really think that what you think and believe about such things right here and now when you have no real clue or evidence concerning such things will have any bearing on your participation in that afterlife?  Do you think all of eternity would be judged on your present ability to trust in the lies and fallacies of ancient humanity and the uninformed scribblings of our ancestors?<br />
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If religion is true then what if the text I write is the one true religion and the real answer?  My writings have just as much right and likelihood to be an inspired text guided by the gods as any other text on some old scrolls.  It's not the age or medium that makes the written word divine, is it?  What if the real gods are guiding me to tell everyone that we all have it wrong and we can't possibly know or understand any of it until after we die and enter their realm?<br />
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Exactly, we just don't know.  We have no clue.  All I know is George Carlin is dead and he will be missed by those of us that still live around here.]]></description>
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 <pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:09:52 -0200</pubDate>
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 <title><![CDATA[New Atheists, Old Realities]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guestvoices/2008/06/new_atheists.html">On Faith: Guest Voices: New Atheists, Old Realities</a><br />
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<blockquote>As far as I can see, the New Atheists have been slowly executing a strategic retreat. Many seem to admit that there is not now, and can never be, a knock-down proof for atheism. Many seem also to be admitting that, no matter what their skeptical friends write, belief in God is not only here to stay, but also seems to be rooted in human nature itself. It may even provide an evolutionary advantage.<br />
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Thus, the line of defense to which they have more and more frequently retreated seems modest and open-minded. As their reply to the question, “Is there a God?” their new answer is perfect for a bumper sticker: “I don’t know, and you don’t know, either.”<br />
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This is a mistake. The New Agnostic holds that the burden of proof is not on him; the burden is on others to “prove” to him that there is an object “out there.”<br />
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But the evidence about God is not to be sought “out there.” It does not reside among other classifiable, sensory objects in this universe. The question about God is essentially a question about one’s own personal identity. Do you yourself, Mr. Agnostic, find evidence within your own inner life (in a way that can be replicated by others) that your identity is not fully known until you admit that you participate in a life much larger than your own, drawing you toward becoming more fully developed and greater than you are? In a Light more powerful than the light of your own conscience? The question is about you.</blockquote><br />
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No, I don't find evidence that my identity is not fully known.  There is a much larger universe that is most definitely beyond my humble existence and understanding.  That does not lead me to a leap of faith to believe in an intellect beyond my own that can be defined or understood as some sort of god.  It takes an even bigger leap of faith to think such an intellect would have any idea that I exist or care about me in any way.  Why would I be so self-centered to think I have such a personal connection and importance to the whole of the universe anyway?<br />
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<blockquote>Consider first the “prison literature” of the twentieth century. In the prisons of officially atheist regimes, Fascist and Communist, there were many who were thrown into their cells at a time when they thought themselves to be atheists. Only slowly did some discover that there was an inner demand in them, a demand that they not become complicit in the lies of the regime; they must not sign their names to the lies put in front of them. On this imperative to stay honest, even at the cost of great pain, rested their entire integrity. If they had compromised that, they would have become part of the universal depravity insisted upon by the regime: “There is no truth but the truth of the Party.” They would have become like their jailers.<br />
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But why did they come to hold that this inner drive for absolute honesty was essential to their own human identity? Their senses of touch, hearing, seeing, smelling, and tasting may have ached with pain and violation. They may have been without any feeling of assistance from anybody, human or divine. Even their ability to give reasons for what they were doing might have collapsed, because the pain was so great and the terror of death so acute. The arguments of their torturers may have come to seem evident to them – and yet some deeper inner light drove them to refuse to lie.<br />
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What is the source of that light within them, which refused to let them surrender, even when their bodies could bear no more? They experienced that source as something greater than any part of their own body or mind. Yet that light seemed integral to their own self-identity.<br />
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This is the evidence that led Sharansky, Valladares, Mihailov, and an unknown number of others to perceive that they in fact lived in a spiritual community larger than their own ego, a community with all other humans struggling to preserve their integrity under threat of pain, and more than that. They also experienced by a kind of connaturality a mysterious Other (incorruptible and insistent) within them, more important than their own bodies and their own temporal life. <br />
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Such persons felt inwardly that, if they were not faithful, their moral failure would matter to that Other, in a wholly different way than it would matter to their jailers. Their moral surrender would be interpreted by their jailers as yet more evidence that everybody, just like themselves, had a price at which they would surrender. In such a surrender, their own integrity would die, and so would the real presence of God.</blockquote><br />
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Religion sells hope to the hopeless.  If you see no hope or comfort in your future for this life why wouldn't you be more likely to cling to a fairy tale that eternal bliss awaits you?  You would hold onto this even under threat of death since death is now seen as your salvation to get to that fairy tale ending.  Just because people can cling to such hope in such desperate times doesn't make it real.  I don't see it as a sign of maintaining an honest mind at all cost but just simply holding onto a misplaced hope because the person thinks they have nothing else to live for.  It's a hope that the distress of their current existence can be overcome by something bigger than themselves.  It is in no way proof that the hope is based upon any sort of reality.<br />
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<blockquote>A second bit of evidence within myself (evidence that I participate in a wholly other, inconceivable Source of light) is my own insatiable drive to ask questions. Nothing finite satisfies me. There are always more questions to be asked. No existing concept seems final. In fact, this unrelenting drive lies at the basis of the scientific impulse. But it arises also in our intellectual lives outside of the habit of science. It arises within the habit of being faithful to reason, even in areas where science itself cannot go.</blockquote><br />
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How ironic, nothing finite satisfying me is the reason why I can't see a finite god with human traits and emotions as an answer to the biggest mysteries of the universe.  That a being can exist without creation but with the power and intellect to create this universe is less plausible to me than the universe itself existing without creation.  No existing concepts of gods and religion are even remotely final and raise so many more questions than just acknowledging that we know very little about existence.  Where science itself cannot go, I do know that we have no real clue about what might be considered the supernatural.<br />
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<blockquote>Ought I to marry this particular person? Ought I to take this job, make this work the center of my life’s pursuits? Is this the right institutional home for me, the community best designed to keep me asking questions and growing morally stronger? <br />
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One can make such choices intelligently, with good reasons. On the other hand, one may fail to anticipate realistically later twists of fortune. Later, one can blame oneself for having been more blind than one ought to have been. One can deeply regret past choices. In brief, science itself is not the only use for reason; in practical life, reason is also extremely important. <br />
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Here, some philosophers observe that people deploying practical reason live as if in the presence of an objective Observer. This Observer cannot be deceived by a person’s own self-deceptions. This Observer keeps pushing one to become more honest with oneself. And this Observer is not "out there," but within. This Observer is sentinel not only over our scientific reasoning, but also our practical reasoning.<br />
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This, too, is evidence that we live in God, and He in us, at the very center of our identity. Within us is the Light, Judge, Merciful One, Brother, Inspirer, Prodder, Driver at the heart of our existence. Without becoming aware of this dimension of our own honesty and unlimited drive to understand, we cannot properly understand ourselves. We think ourselves smaller than we are.</blockquote><br />
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Huh?  What is this Observer and why does this person think such a thing pushes us?  I don't make decisions just based upon my logic and reason.  Our reasonings are always colored by our emotions and desires.  We make choices to contribute to a greater good in society because of our emotions and desires to be part of a greater good.  That greater good is community and society and it can be selfish to do for others in hopes that others do for us.  It can also be selfish to help others because we feel good about the results of that action.  We don't need a god or inner light to drive us as long as we understand the benefits of a cooperating and helpful community that was born out of the love for our offspring and families.<br />
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<blockquote>The New Agnostic may not know, not yet, but a great, great number of us do know – yes, know – that the best drives within us do not come from our finite, sensory selves. We participate in them as an inner light all unbidden. Sometimes even as a torment. These inner drives are much greater than ourselves. They teach us that we are open to the Infinite.</blockquote><br />
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Do you really know?  We do not do everything based on reason since reason does not motivate.  Emotion and desire motivates us to be the good or bad humans we end up being.  It is our fellow humans that are the external influences that push us one way or another without any inner light to guide us.  When people fall short it can be because they are ignorant to the benefits of society and why they should be a positive force in our society.  It has nothing to do with any sort of inner light.  It is a self-deception to see proof of such a connection to something greater when human behaviors can actually be understood by understanding reason, emotions, and human desires.<br />
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Why do religious people sell short the human experience and our own infinite possibilities?  Why can't they see that all that can be good in our existence is simply in our own minds, emotions, and desires?  We don't need an inner light to guide us and we don't need to understand a complex universe that is so far beyond our present understanding that we can't truly conceive of how or why it all came to be.  The best drives within us DO come from our finite, sensory selves.  We are capable of so much more, individually and collectively, than a simple faith in a finite fairy tale can tell us about the infinite universe.]]></description>
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 <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:53:48 -0200</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/theampersand/archive/2008/06/17/q-amp-a-with-lewis-black-you-gotta-have-faith.aspx">Q & A with Lewis Black: You gotta have faith</a> <br />
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OK, I like the Daily Show and the comedy of Lewis Black so I guess I need to pick up his book to find out what exactly this exchange in the Q&A actually means:<br />
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<b>Q: Did you consider yourself an atheist at any point in your life?</b><br />
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A: Oh yeah, early on. I think I was like ‘Really? You got to be kidding.’ <br />
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<b>Q: Was there a moment that swayed you to agnosticism?</b><br />
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A: To be honest? Mescalin.<br />
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<b>Q: You bring that up in the book.</b><br />
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A: I do. It’s stupid, but come on...It really did have an effect. ...Even if it was delusional, it led me to believe. It made me more sensitive to what was going on.]]></description>
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 <pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:07:21 -0200</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[I think agnostic covers it just fine, but this professor is trying to create a new word: agtheist.<br />
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<a href="http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/story.html?id=162a6fed-e458-4930-a4e3-572b81ba19ad">Religion has led to violence, 'agtheist' says</a><br />
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<blockquote>Live and let let live. All the way up to and including the unlikely eventuality of an afterlife, God willing.<br />
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That sums up the humanist approach of self-described "agtheist" Christopher DiCarlo, a philosophy of science professor at the University of Ontario Institute of Technology in Oshawa. Responding to the views of three University of Windsor scientists, who recently came out on the side of God, DiCarlo begs to differ, respectfully.<br />
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DiCarlo coined the term "agtheist" to describe his position: essentially atheist, but with a strong steak of agnosticism -- willing to concede that there just might be a supernatural explanation for the origins of the universe. And, if ultimately there proves to be a God, DiCarlo hopes a good life, assisting others when he can and contributing to society, raising his own children properly while doing no harm to others, will be enough to assuage the deity's concerns about letting a non-believer into heaven.</blockquote><br />
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I don't really see the need for a new word.  Agnostic already has an essentially atheistic aspect to it so I don't understand the need some people have to always try to smash atheist with it somehow.<br />
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If you're honest about being a-gnostic (without knowledge) then you don't possess any knowledge to be theistic, so you would logically be a-theist (without god) as well.  If you're claiming agnosticism and believe in a god then you're really just a theist since your belief is about that god instead of a belief in not knowing about such things.  Such a person can't claim agnosticism by itself and could only use the agnostic word as an adjective to qualify their theism.  This qualifier says it is a belief based upon faith alone and not knowledge about that specific god but that is not agnosticism.  Agnosticism as a noun is an overall lack of specific beliefs because of a lack of knowledge to take on any other label such as theist, deist, atheist, panthiest, etc.<br />
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We know what we don't know.]]></description>
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 <pubDate>Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:38:05 -0200</pubDate>
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 <title><![CDATA[Pamela Bone: A woman to remember, words that will live on]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[I don't know who Pamela Bone is but apparently she has passed away judging by the title of the article.  Her words are very good and are worth a read and some contemplation.<br />
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<a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/a-woman-to-remember-words-that-will-live-on/2008/05/01/1209235053428.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1">Pamela Bone: A woman to remember, words that will live on</a><br />
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<blockquote>A while ago, walking along a river bank in the country, I discovered the meaning of life in a piece of cow dung.<br />
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In that dried disc was sprouting a tiny forest of fresh green shoots, the seeds the animal had eaten, starting a new life cycle, reaching for the sun. For a moment I understood. Life exists, I thought, because it can. But only for a moment. Then, I thought, why can it? Why is there something and not nothing? And why is there this something instead of some other something?<br />
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Years before this I had what you might call a Road to Damascus experience in reverse.<br />
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It happened like this: I was in my kitchen, while outside the house my little girl was playing with our dog. I heard the squeal of car brakes, a dog's yelp, a child's scream. As I ran I prayed, "please God, please God". As one does. But even as I ran, something in my head said: "No use. There is no God. Whatever has happened has happened."<br />
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The worst had not happened. The dog ran onto the road, was hit by a car, and in its dying agony bit my daughter, who had run after it. She still has the fine scars on her cheeks.<br />
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That was the last time I prayed. To be honest, I had been wavering in my religious belief for some time before. But from that day, in my heart I knew. Now, I do not believe something outside of myself was talking to me. (Who? God, to tell me he doesn't exist? Satan, maybe?) It was, of course, my own voice. People who are not mentally ill know that any voice in their head is their own voice.<br />
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But while my heart knows, my mind doesn't. I don't know if God exists. I have no feeling that one does, but I don't know. And neither does anyone else.<br />
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Religious belief (where it is not held merely out of habit) is a matter of deep intuition, not knowledge. One person's deep intuition tells them there is a God, another person's tells them there isn't. Why is it, then, that the people who hold the former belief have been allowed, for so long, to claim the high moral ground?<br />
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I don't mind at all if people believe in God — though some believers seem to mind quite a lot that I don't. I respect their beliefs. What I do mind is the assumption of many that they are better people because they believe; that faith itself is a virtue and that, therefore, a lack of faith is immoral or, at best, to be pitied.<br />
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The unsuccessful American vice-presidential candidate Joseph Lieberman declared before the US election that "we should not indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion". The British Prime Minister, Tony Blair, made a similar statement recently. These sentiments are an insult to the 5% of Americans who have no religion, or the 40% of Britons, or the 30% of Australians.<br />
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Moreover, they are as little based on any empirical or scientific evidence as they are common.<br />
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There is no proven correlation between morality and adherence to any organised religion. Indeed, some might say the opposite correlation applies. I don't. It is impossible to weigh up paedophile priests, packed churches in Rwanda before and after the genocide, the extremism on both sides of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, against the vast amount of good that is done in the world by people who are acting out of religious motives.<br />
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Yet the question, "Where are your humanist or atheist organisations working to help the poor?" is in a way nonsensical. World Vision is a Christian organisation. Amnesty International, Oxfam, Medecins sans Frontieres and countless others have members who may or may not be religious. But whether they are or not has no relevance to the work of the organisation.<br />
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You (unbelievers) can't believe in any force higher than yourselves, it was said to me recently. Not true. I believe in plenty of things higher than myself: that oak tree outside my window, for one example; and every single child who comes into the world, new and hopeful. I just don't believe in a supreme supernatural being, that's all.<br />
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There is no evidence that those who believe in God are kinder, less interested in making money, or more moved by art, or music, or the beauty of the world. There is no evidence that they are either better or worse people. When a third of the population does not hold to any religion, is it not time the bluff that religion is necessary to morality was called? Support for this view comes from a perhaps surprising source: Richard Holloway, Bishop of Edinburgh, argues in his book Godless Morality that religion and ethics should be kept separate.<br />
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Morality is an evolved, human construct, and those moral imperatives that are permanent and universal, such as the one against murder, are held on moral, not theological, grounds.<br />
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I don't know the meaning of life. I believe it has the meaning we give it. It is wrong to describe people without religious faith as unbelievers. Atheism is the belief that no God exists; agnosticism is the belief that we do not know. These are beliefs. And are equally valid and deserving of respect.<br />
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<i>This article was originally published on March 24, 2001.</i></blockquote><br />
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I sometimes use the term nontheist myself but in retrospect that has a negative meaning almost like unbeliever.  I think I should try to stick to the term freethinker.  I've always liked that one better anyway since it really describes a mind that does not follow dogma or belief as part of a herd mentality.<br />
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I also like the story at the beginning about the dying dog biting the daughter.  It's sad it happened but a religious person would point at that as a miracle and proof of God's intervention.  This freethinker apparently saw it as proof that the universe unfolds as it will on its own.  It just reminds me that it is our freethinking minds that defines how we relate to the universe and what we believe is really going on.  We really have no clue and are just making sense of it for ourselves.  This is why my viewpoint of truth is labeled Agnostic: we have no knowledge or understanding of the real truth.]]></description>
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 <title><![CDATA[Warren Buffett and Bill Gates]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[Who else might be agnostic?  It's interesting to see prominent figures in American society that are able to freely say what they believe.  I would think it's easier for someone that has already achieved success and doesn't need the approval of others.  They can more freely admit that religion doesn't make much sense and the truth is that us humans have no clue about such things.  This is a little old but here is a posting I'll reference called <a href="http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=649">Warren Buffett “Agnostic,” Bill Gates Rejects Sermon On The Mount, Not “Huge Believer” In “Specific Elements” Of Christianity</a><br />
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<blockquote>In his interview with Charlie Rose on Public TV, Bill Gates has said he is “doubly blessed” to have worked at Microsoft and now at his Foundation. But, “doubly blessed” by whom? By what? What is the religion of Bill Gates? What is the religion of Warren Buffett?<br />
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Well, in a succinct email to me, Debbie Bosanek, Assistant to Warren Buffett, says: “Mr. Buffett is agnostic.”<br />
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And Bill Gates? In a November 1995 interview of Gates by David Frost, this exchange took place:<br />
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Frost: Do you believe in the Sermon on the Mount?<br />
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Gates: I don’t. I’m not somebody who goes to church on a regular basis. The specific elements of Christianity are not something I’m a huge believer in. There’s a lot of merit in the moral aspects of religion. I think it can have a very, very positive impact.<br />
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Frost: I sometimes say to people, do you believe there is a god, or do you know there is a god? And, you’d say you don’t know?<br />
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Gates: In terms of doing things I take a fairly scientific approach to why things happen and how they happen. I don’t know if there’s a god or not, but I think religious principles are quite valid.<br />
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On January 13, 1996, in a “Time” magazine profile of Gates by Walter Isaacson, there was this exchange:<br />
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Isaacson: Isn’t there something special, perhaps even divine, about the human soul?<br />
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Gates: I don’t have any evidence on that.<br />
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Isaacson wrote: “Gates face suddenly becomes expressionless, his squeaky voice turns toneless, and he folds his arms across his belly and vigorously rocks back and forth in a mannerism that has become so mimicked at Microsoft that a meeting there can resemble a round table of ecstatic rabbis.”<br />
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Isaacson also quotes Gates as saying: “Just in terms of allocation of time resources, religion is not very efficient. There’s a lot more I could be doing on a Sunday morning.”</blockquote>]]></description>
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 <pubDate>Sun, 4 May 2008 11:41:50 -0200</pubDate>
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 <title><![CDATA[Garden is Beautiful: Public eruption against atheism]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[There is a more expanded article below concerning the Illinois representative that verbally attacked an atheist for simply being an atheist.  The first two paragraphs are thought-provoking for any nontheists.  How many of us actually hide because it is so easy for us to not be identifiable as nontheists?  I would admit that I am one of them since it is easier to operate under the radar than to openly let people know I don't believe in their gods.<br />
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<a href="http://thehoot.net/articles/2903">Garden is Beautiful: Public eruption against atheism</a><br />
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<blockquote>There is no doubt that atheists in the United States form a persecuted minority. From general public opinion to specific Constitutional prohibitions, there are many barriers preventing atheists from equal recognition as American citizens, opportunities for holding public office, and the protections of civil rights legislation which defend other religious groups. However, in many ways, atheists are more fortunate than other minority groups. There are no differences in physical appearance with which they can be segregated, they have no formalized rituals or gatherings that could be used to distinguish them, and, if necessary, they can easily disguise their beliefs.<br />
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However, those who desire the right to free expression of their beliefs, which is theoretically given to everyone under the United States Constitution, must be prepared to face the consequences of a society still strongly biased against them. While it would be easy to assume that this bias is held only by a vocal but insignificant minority of the population, we were reminded last week that it is ingrained even in the highest levels of government.<br />
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Democrat Monique Davis has represented Illinois’s 27th House of Representatives district in the state’s General Assembly for over 20 years, and she has earned a reputation as one of the most influential members of the body. The rewards she has reaped during her term of services include a seat on the powerful State Government Administration Committee, and it is this position which gave her the opportunity to launch one of the most hateful tirades in modern American politics last Wednesday, a tirade which shows how far the United States has to go before atheism is given the respect as a philosophy which it is due.<br />
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The incident occurred as noted secular activist Rob Sherman was testifying before the committee on the question of a $1 million grant directed towards the Pilgrim Baptist Church. Sherman’s argument was that such an explicitly religious contribution amounts to nothing more than a state-sponsored religion, one which the First Amendment clearly prohibits. However, Rep. Davis, insistent on the grant’s passing, decided to ignore the Constitutional angle and turn the hearing into a forum on religious belief. She interrupted Sherman to comment, ” I don’t know what you have against God, but some of us don’t have much against him. We look forward to him and his blessings. And it’s really a tragedy – it’s tragic — when a person who is engaged in anything related to God, they want to fight. They want to fight prayer in school. I don’t see you [Sherman] fighting guns in school. You know?”<br />
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Already, Davis has set up a false pretense with which to attack Sherman; the hearing was neither about school prayer nor gun control. While it is true that Sherman has an established reputation as an opponent of prayer in public schools, this was irrelevant to the issue at hand. Furthermore, I very much doubt that Sherman has any desire to see weapons in schools either. Davis’s pointless tangent displayed a great failing in her role as a legislator; however, she was just getting started.<br />
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Rep. Davis continued, “I’m trying to understand the philosophy that you want to spread in the state of Illinois. This is the Land of Lincoln. This is the Land of Lincoln where people believe in God, where people believe in protecting their children.” Again, questions of what Sherman believes or even whether his personal philosophy has any validity have no bearing on the legality of the proposed grant, and again, Davis rashly assumes that Sherman’s atheism equates to a moral opposition or ambiguity to ensuring the security of children. It is interesting that she cited Abraham Lincoln to defend her point, a president known for making statements highly critical of organized religion.<br />
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Yet Davis would soon move in an even more venomous direction. “What you have to spew and spread is extremely dangerous, it’s dangerous” she railed, and when Sherman interrupted to ask “What’s dangerous, ma’am?” She responded “It’s dangerous to the progression of this state. And it’s dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists! Now you will go to court to fight kids to have the opportunity to be quiet for a minute. But damn if you’ll go to [court] to fight for them to keep guns out of their hands.” What Davis seems to be proposing is the censorship of an entire belief system based on a wholly flawed assumption that it somehow supports violence in schools. Apparently, she is unaware of exactly how many lives have been lost in the name of Christianity and how many positive contributions to the progression of America those with atypical religious beliefs have made. The assumption is that the culpability for school violence rests on anyone who does not accept Rep. Davis’ chosen view of God, and, as someone whose beliefs clearly differ strongly from hers, I refuse to accept this. There is no room in a secular humanist worldview for the murder of children. Nothing could be more horrifying to me.<br />
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Davis finished her rant by nearly screaming, “I am fed up! Get out of that seat!” Sherman calmly responded “Thank you for sharing your perspective with me, and I’m sure that if this matter does go to court…” but Davis shouted him down, continuing, “You have no right to be here! We believe in something. You believe in destroying! You believe in destroying what this state was built upon.” Apparently, Sherman has no right to free speech, no right to petition the legislators he helps to elect, and no right to defend his nation’s Constitution.<br />
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Monique Davis clearly has no understanding of the legislative process, of the United States Constitution, or of the respect due to all Americans, including Rob Sherman or any other nontheist. Yet what is even more frightening is the tepid public outcry over her bigotry. If she had launched the same tirade against Christians, Jews, or even Muslims, calls for her resignation or impeachment would be immediate and forceful. However, it is now over a week since the incident occurred, and there seem to be no plans to force her removal or censure her at all. It is a sad mark of how deeply held the anti-atheist sentiment of this nation is that Rep. Davis can get away with being this hateful and ignorant while retaining a powerful governmental position; the unfortunate conclusion is that we cannot be sure our public policy is being created by individuals who have some respect for the values of tolerance upon which this nation was founded.</blockquote>]]></description>
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 <pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:27:00 -0200</pubDate>
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 <title><![CDATA[Representative tries to put the fear of God in atheist]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[Are freedom of religion and freedom of speech only applicable to Americans with the majority belief and majority viewpoint?  Read below to make you wonder about how free we really are when the citizens we elect to represent us think otherwise.<br />
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<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-change_atheist_bd06apr06,1,4016432.story">Representative tries to put the fear of God in atheist</a><br />
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<blockquote>Did you hear about the state legislator who last week blasted a Lutheran minister during a committee hearing for spewing dangerous religious superstitions, and then attempted to order the minister out of the witness chair on the grounds that his Christian beliefs are "destroying what this state was built upon"?<br />
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Of course you didn't, because it didn't happen and would never happen. Not to a Christian, not to a Jew, not to a Muslim or to anyone who subscribes to any faith. <br />
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Such an attack would rightly be considered scandalously out of bounds in contemporary society.<br />
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But you probably also didn't hear about what actually did happen: <br />
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Rep. Monique Davis (D-Chicago) interrupted atheist activist Rob Sherman during his testimony Wednesday afternoon before the House State Government Administration Committee in Springfield and told him, "What you have to spew and spread is extremely dangerous . . . it's dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists!<br />
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"This is the Land of Lincoln where people believe in God," Davis said. "Get out of that seat . . . You have no right to be here! We believe in something. You believe in destroying! You believe in destroying what this state was built upon."<br />
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Apparently it's still open season on some views of God. <br />
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Outside of Change of Subject, where I posted a transcript and the audio, Davis' repellent, un-American outburst received no attention whatsoever.</blockquote><br />
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It's interesting that having a contrary viewpoint of a god's existence is seen as destructive and dangerous to believers.  If religion is really true, then how could nonbelief be such a threat?  I don't see too many nonbelievers acting as threatened by the lies of religion to their truth as the reverse manifests itself.  In fact, many of the religious are threatened by simple questioning of belief.  I think it just shows that at their core, people know they are holding on to and need to defend a universal lie instead of an ultimate answer.]]></description>
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